Who is the Unraveller?

[ChaseNadir]

I may be reading too much into this, but what if IC did want Ember to be the Unraveller, and deliberately made the prophecy ambiguous enough so that people would question it?

But that said: I'm still on the fence as to which one of them is actually the Unraveller, if not both. However, I'm going to try and go with the theory that they're both the Unraveller, just to get it out in the open.

(I don't have a copy of the books on me, so forgive any mistakes, okay?)

Half blind yet seeing all: Ember drifts off into her own world, and relies on Glynn to handle things for her. In Darkfall it's mentioned that Glynn handles all the transactions of Ember's music because Ember doesn't care what happens to it. So maybe Ember's insularity is a type of blindness that Glynn counters?

Marked by visioning, but without Darkfall mark: They both segue, and neither of them is properly marked by Darkfall. Also, neither Glynn, nor Ember fit the description of a soulweaver (passive and serene etc), which may be a mark in itself. There may also be other marks that come during the initiation on Darkfall, ones that no one else sees. After all, how is a soulweaver to see another soulweaver's silverblindedness?

Who lives, yet sings the deathsong: Well, here I think that the poster who mentioned the fact that everyone around Glynn seems to die deserves applause. That was a great idea! And Ember's part of this is obvious.

Who is born, yet not of the Song of Making: I may be wrong here, but didn't the Song only create Keltor? If so, neither Ember nor Glynn are actually of the Song, despite the fact that Ember is so gifted with music. That in itself, may fulfill another part of the prophecy, where Ember's talent for music dulls Glynn's "blindness".

Who is gifted from the great water: Both of them arrive in Keltor through the sea, as do any strangers to Keltor.

Who is crowned in bright flame: I know about the whole red flame versus yellow flame thing, but I reckon that it takes both colours to make a proper flame. Remember the drawings we did in kindergarten where we coloured the outside of the flame red, and the inside yellow?

[bradhadair_of_belwicket]

First off... Happy New Year!

I'm glad this thread is still alive and well...

Just reply to ChaseNadir... I remember one of my friends pointing out about this line:

"Half Blind yet seeing all": We all know Glynn is tone deaf, and Keltor is born through a song, so maybe 'half-blind' is a metaphorical representation of her inability to see musc, and she sees all because she's technically not blind.

just a thought.

I think I'm sticking to the theory that one of them is the soulsaver and one of them is the unraveller. I think Glynn is probably the soulsaver because practically nobody knows about the soulsaver compared to the unraveller, and Glynn is always shadowed by Ember.

[Talkative_Angel]

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T.A

[Zanthlay]

Yes, it is nice to see the topic hasn't died. :>) I found an interesting quote recently - Poverin's view of the Unraveller's purpose, when he was speaking to the Draaka on Fomhika: 'I do not claim to believe a man will come out of the sky to unchain the Unykorn any more than I believe the Unraveller is an evil demon. As you say, these are images from a child's story. I believe the Unykorn is a poetic image, and maybe the Unraveller as well. It is possible that the sisterhood has misunderstood some of the words Lanalor left, for it is said he seldom told his plans directly and openly to anyone, even to Alyda. But one will arise from us, who will unravel the words and the riddle, and bring us to the light.' (Darkfall, p. 451-2)

Poverin’s statement agrees with what Catchi said earlier - 'unravel' may be in reference to making sense of the Legendsong, and the writings of Alyda and Lanalor. Also interesting, was Poverin's interpretation of what that could mean - 'bring us to the light'. In these words, I got the sense that he was referring to the idea of ‘light’ as knowledge. It is also possible he was referring obliquely to the Song as light - although given Poverin's view of mystical things, this seemed less likely to me.

The idea of the Unraveller as a person who finds out the truth suggests that Glynna may be more likely to be the Unraveller. My reasons for this suggestion: given Glynna’s interest in scrolls and her access to them as part of the Draaka's entourage, she could be this Unraveller more realistically than Ember could. It is, I believe, the task that will identify the role - and that, we will know once we read Darkbane. :>S

However, I thought it was an interesting point of discussion. Perhaps Ember tries to free the Unykorn and save Lanalor – both could be the task of the Soulsaver. Perhaps it is Glynn who is ‘within a day of it’ because once the ship starts moving she will again have access to the scrolls, and will be able to begin ‘unravelling’ the truth.

Thoughts, anyone?

[bradhadair_of_belwicket]

hey there i'm talkative_angel and don't worrie i can blabber on a bit... aswell and that iz how i got mi name well welcome any way and if you have any question don't hesitate 2 ask any one on this site because we are all friendly people here on CO

Erm... were yout talking to me? If you weren't, then don't worry. But if you were, I'm not new to this site (registered in 2004)- I just haven't been on it for a LONG LONG LONG time because I tried to cut myself of Carmody for a while so that the wait fro the sending and darkbane won't be so bad.

Didn't really work. But anyho.

Ehehe..... Can't say how pleased I am that this thread is still alive. One of the many threads I made back in my obsession days, and now is the only one still alive. ehehe...

To Zanthlay:

That is an INTERESTING way to put it! I've never thought of it that way. I think everyone has just sort of put Unraveller as physically unravelling and saving the unykorn.

very interesting!

[Sky-Freelancer]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

I love it all! I think that too bradhadir of belwicket (snazzy name mind you). Your theories that you mentioned 1st I totally agree with but I couldn't have put it so concisively.

Everyone is too busy fixed on Ember (apart from Solen hehe) which leaves Glynna to be free to move around if you like. Even the ruler of Keltor is too busy worrying about his vision weaver.

Glynn is so strong but doesn't put herself out to be a threat. She knows when to play it dumb i.e when she was drugged by that truth serum after meeting Duran for the 1st time, and also playing dumb when getting tortured by the evil insidious creature whose name I've temporarily forgotten. (Not to worry I'll remember when I've logged off!!

Glynn has so much going for her, not to mention her fighting skills and unique mind abilities. She will probably end up saving the day and Ember was just a distraction. But I been known to be wrong in the past ; p

[princess..]

ok here's my theory

glynn is the unraveller

ember the soulsaver
no one else between them cud b either cuz the watcher often says the unraveller & her sister or the soulsaver and her sister.

i do believe that the signs in the legendsong refer to ember
think about it like this
ember is said to be shielding glynn so people think about ember not glynn.

the wording of the signs is very carefully done.
it is never actually stated that this is wat the unraveller looks like or anything like that.. it says "these are the signs by which the unraveller shall be known..."

In darksong duran names ember as the unraveller and therefore she has become known as the unraveller whether or not she actually is.

and glynn would never betray ember or lead her to the draaka and she would more likely betray herself because she cares to much for her sister.

glynn cannont hear music and this works in her favour as it appears to be the defining difference between her and everyone else on keltor, and no one from keltor may save the unykorn

and then there is the considerable mental abilities she has developed that would no doubt aid her.

ember is the soulsaver as tarsin himself said that he thought he could be a better ruler after being near her. her music drives people to tears and has great affect so i believe she is the soulsaver....

sorry its so looong my bad...

princess..

[Ashmoretheflamebreather]

Ember has to be the Unraveller. In books everyone wants someone up front that they know. Also she saw the Unykorn in one of her visions. I think that Glynn has to save Lanalor (Ronaal) from the void, that's why she's his greatest hope, because he did say he was selfish so why wouldn't he save himself while he was saving the Unykorn Sorry i just thought that looked cool.

[kardai]

this is a theory that i just thought up then (sorry if someone else has already put it forward somewhere else)

i havent read the books in quite a while, so i might have remembreed some things wrong (wrongly?)

Ok. here it is. what if Ember IS the Unraveller, and Glynn is the soulsaver, but the soulsaver is actually the important one?
I mean, it could be that the unraveller technically frees the unykorn, but the same way you use a teaspoon to open a tin of milo?

And lanalor put all this stuff out about the unraveller to throw every one off the scent?

[Quettawen]

i agree. it seems a sort of justice that, being the least important her whole life, she is the important one in the end. BUt i do think that Ember (who i a certain is the unraveller) is very important. Maybe Glynn has to do something to help ember. But i also think Sean has something big to do...

[Anonymus]

Ok I am pretty sure no one has mentioned this but in Glynn's vision on the darklin when she sees herself and the case of scrolls. Doesn't she say "But I don't understand aren't the Unraveller and the Soulsaver the same person because it says ' and then came the Unraveller and Soulsaver'" So doesn't that mean that the Unraveller and the soulsaver are the same person? It came to me when I reread it yesterday I read that part and then suddenly it made sense.

It also says in Darkfall crowned in flames of red and gold seperately maybe but they are both mentioned when describing the Unraveller obviously a reference to both Ember and Glynn right? Yes so obvious because they are twins they are like one person. Ember Shields Glynn and has her whole life from the womb. No one expected Glynn because Ember sheilded her in the womb. Now because Ember has been targeted by the Chaos spirit, Draaka and everyone else aainst Darkfall no one thinks to look right under their nose at Glynn.

I also agree with what most of ChaseNadir said because all of those reasons together would make them both the Unraveller and Soulsaver. If you think really carefully about it aren't twins often linked this could mean they are like one person so all of the reason ChaseNadir mentioned about the reasons why both could be the unraveller. These reasons could actually mean that both are the unraveller. (Hard to understand I know but think about all the telepathic abilities twins are supposed to have with each other plus both Ember and Glynn seem to dream about the other at some point something that has you know happened to them)

And perhaps by unraveller they Lanalor didn't just mean unravelling the complex legendsong but also some important unfinished tapestry by Shennavyre or someone important like that. Maybe that is the secret maybe that is how to save the unykorn maybe by unravelling the tapestry the unykorn was trapped in they will free him. But then again maybe not maybe instead of unravelling it Ember with her visionweaving abilities or whatever will be able to finish an important tapestry. (of course both of those theories could be way off but every chance I am not)

I was also thinking that maybe if both of them together are the Soulsaver/Unraveller then maybe Glynn's ability to see and Ember's Blindness could be half blind and Glynn's tone deafness and Ember's musical ability could be something to do with the half blind thing as well because as has been said a hundred times over Keltor is a world of song, the void is full of song(that background music that accompanies Ember's travels) and the Unykorn sings(doesn't he?).

Also Glynn's Link to the fienna could mean she somehow finds a way to save everyone's soul through filling the greyness in everybody while Ember sings a song to them that somehow assists.

I understand most of that is confusing but I think that if you look at it through a koleidescope(sp?) you might be able t make sense of it and see how wonderful an argument it is.

::Anonnie::

[ISOBELLECARMODYROCKS]

I really think the Unraveller is Ember. But we'll just have to wait for Darkbane when everything is resolved.